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England, How to Use Church Records 1538-Present Guide Introduction Church records are an excellent source of information on births, marriages, and deaths. Most people who lived in England have information recorded about them in church records. Since civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths did not begin until July 1837, church records are the best source of information before that date. Church records may contain baptism or christening, birth, marriage, and burial information from 1538 to the present. For more information about church records, see Background. What You Are Looking For Your ancestor's name in a church record of birth, christening or baptism, marriage, death, or burial. The information you find varies from record to record. These records may include: • Names. • Dates. • Places. • Relationships. • Occupations. • Residence. • Age. Steps These 4 steps will help you find a church record for your ancestor. Step 1. Identify the place where your ancestor lived. To search church records, you must know the name of the parish where your ancestor lived. If you know only the name of a town or village, use a gazetteer or topographical dictionary for England to find the name of the parish. If you cannot find the town name, try different spellings. If you do not know the name of the town where your ancestor lived, go to How to Find the Name of the Place Where Your Ancestor Lived. England, How to Use Church Records 1538-Present Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/08/01 2 Step 2. Search indexes to church records first. Indexes will save you time when searching church records of England. Many indexes have been created. They include: • The International Genealogical Index. • The Vital Records Index: British Isles. • Indexes created by family history societies. • Indexes created by archives, libraries, and record offices. To find indexes, see Where To Find It. Step 3. Identify your ancestor's religion. Before searching church records, you should know your ancestor's religion. The Church of England (also known as the Established, Anglican, or Episcopalian Church) was the predominant religion in England. Those who chose not to belong to or affiliate with it were known as nonconformists. Nonconformist religions include: • Presbyterians. • Independents (or Congregationalists). • Methodists. • Baptists. • Roman Catholics. • Jews. • Quakers. For a list of sources that may help you identify your ancestor's religion, see Tips. If you do not know your ancestor's religion, always search Church of England parish records first. Step 4. Search church records. If you think your ancestor belonged to the Church of England, select one of the following to search Church of England church records: • Christening or Baptism Records. • Marriage Records. • Burial Records. If you think your ancestor was a nonconformist, search nonconformist church records. Background Description In the 1530s King Henry VIII of Great Britain severed ties with the Roman Catholic Church and formed a state church called the Church of England. This church has also been known as the Established, Anglican, or Episcopal Church. Individual congregations are called parishes. Each parish minister records baptisms or christenings, marriages, and burials performed within his parish. From 1538, parish registers may provide you with important information about your ancestors. England, How to Use Church Records 1538-Present Research Guidance In time, some individuals and groups of people refused to conform to the rules and practices of the Church of England and began to form other religions. These other religions, referred to as nonconformists, include Independents, Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Quakers, and others. The Roman Catholic and Jewish churches, though they predate the Church of England, are also categorized as nonconformists because their members do not conform to the Established church. The records of these religions sometimes contain more information than those of the Church of England. Tips Tip 1. How can I tell what religion my ancestor belonged to? The following sources may help you identify your ancestor's religion: • Family histories, stories, and traditions. • Biographies. • Letters. • Journals and diaries. • Scrapbooks. • Family bibles. • Birth, baptism, marriage, or death certificates. • Photographs. • Military records. • Obituaries and funeral cards. • Newspaper articles. • Wills and other probate records. Where to Find It FamilySearch Centers Most FamilySearch Centers will not have microfilmed copies of church records for England in their collections, but centers can borrow microfilms from the FamilySearch Library. There is a small fee to have a microfilm sent on loan to a center. The International Genealogical Index is available at all FamilySearch Centers. The Vital Records Index: British Isles may also be available at centers. FamilySearch Centers are located throughout the United States and other areas of the world. See FamilySearch Centers for the address and phone number of the center nearest you. FamilySearch Library The FamilySearch Library has the largest collection in the world of microfilmed and printed church records for England. The library also has indexes to church records, including the International Genealogical Index, the Vital Records Index: British Isles, and others. There is no fee for using the library's collection of records and indexes in person. The Vital Records Index: British Isles on CD is also available to purchase for home computers. England, How to Use Church Records 1538-Present Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/08/01 4 The records available at the FamilySearch Library are listed in the FamilySearch Library Catalog. Go to What to Do Next. Select the catalog, and look for church records on the county and parish or town levels. However, we suggest you look at the guides to using Church of England records and nonconformist records before doing a catalog search for church records (see step 4). You may also request photocopies of church records and indexes from the library for a small fee. You will need to fill out a Request for Photocopies form, which is available at the library and all FamilySearch Centers. Complete the form with the library call number for the record or index, which you found in your search of the FamilySearch Catalog (see What to Do Next). Send the form and fee to the FamilySearch Library. See Library Services and Resources for more information about using the FamilySearch Library or a FamilySearch Center. Family History Societies County and district family history societies in England extract and index many types of records of genealogical value, including church records. Most indexes are available for purchase and may be found in some libraries, including the FamilySearch Library. The Federation of Family History Societies publishes these guides to indexes: • Specialist Indexes for Family Historians. • [County:] A Genealogical Bibliography. • Marriage and Census Indexes for Family Historians. Many family history societies have Internet websites that list their indexes. You may access the websites of the individual societies through the Federation of Family History Societies website. Society of Genealogists The Society of Genealogists in London has a large collection of transcribed church records and indexes are located at: 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA Archives, Libraries, and Record Offices County record offices in England are officially designated repositories for church records. Other archives and libraries also have collections of church records, some of which are original. Addresses for many archives, libraries, and record offices in England can be obtained on the Internet at ARCHON. If you know the name of a repository, choose Repository Lists and search by name. If you do not know the name of the repository but you do know what city or county it is located in, choose Repository Search and search by city or county name. Archives, libraries, and record offices may provide a service for brief searches of records in their collections. You may write and request a specific search for information on your ancestor. 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England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Burial Information Guide Introduction Church of England burial registers are excellent sources of death and burial information, especially before civil registration began in 1837. From 1538, local Church of England officials kept registers of christenings, marriages, and burials. These records continue to the present. If you are not certain of your ancestor's religion, always search Church of England records first. For more information about Church of England records, see Background. What You Are Looking For Your ancestor's name in Church of England burial records. The following information may be found in church burial records (see also Samples): • Name, surname. • Name of parents (especially for a child). • Name of spouse. • Date of burial. • Place of burial. • Possibly the date of death. • Place of residence (especially after 1812). • Occupation (especially after 1812). • Age (especially after 1812). • Street name (especially after 1812 in larger towns and cities). Steps The following 6 steps will help you use Church of England burial records: Step 1. Identify what burial records exist for the parish where your ancestor lived. Church of England burial records exist in several original and copy forms. These include: • Parish registers. • Bishop's transcripts. • Archdeacons' transcripts (similar to Bishops' transcripts). • Parish register transcripts (copies made many years later). England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Burial Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 2 For a list of sources that can help you identify what burial records exist for the parish where your ancestor lived, go to Tip 1. Step 2. Search indexes to burial records first. Indexes will save you time when searching burial records. Indexes have been created for: • Burial registers. • Monumental inscriptions. • Monumental brasses and church memorials. • Cemetery records. To find indexes, go to Tip 1 and Where To Find It. Step 3. Decide where you will search burial records. You may search burial records and indexes at the following locations: • FamilySearch Centers. • FamilySearch Library. • Society of Genealogists. • Archives, libraries, and county record offices. • Family History Societies. For a list of sources that can help you find where burial records are located, go to Tip 1. Based on availability and convenience for you, decide where you will search burial records for the parish where your ancestor lived. Step 4. Search burial records for the parish where your ancestor lived. You can search burial records by: • Personally visiting an archive where original records, copies, or indexes are located. • Corresponding with the archive and having them conduct a search. • Hiring a record agent or professional genealogist to search a specific record or to conduct research for you. For a list of things to keep in mind when searching burial records, go to Tip 2. Step 5. Copy the information, and document your source. Copy the family information from the burial registers into your research notes and onto the family group sheets and pedigree chart for your ancestor. Be sure to note the source of the information you found. When you note your source, you document the record. If you should ever need to find the source of the record again, your documentation will show you where to find it. If others consult your research, they will also know where to find the source. Note your source on your research log, and include the library or archive call number for the source. Your research log will serve as a guide to your research. When making a photocopy of a record, also note the source on the copy. For further tips on record keeping, see the Society of Genealogists' (London, England) leaflet, Note Taking &amp; Keeping for Genealogists. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Burial Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 3 Step 6. Evaluate the information. Compare information you found in burial registers with what you already know about your ancestor. Does it: • Support what you know? • Add to what you know? • Conflict with what you know? (If the information conflicts, use other sources to verify it.) • Suggest other sources to search? Then ask yourself: • Did the record have the information I wanted? • Is the information accurate? Background Description Burials record the names of those who died and were buried, whether in a churchyard or a municipal cemetery. From as early as 1538, ministers of the Church of England have recorded the burials within their parishes. Burials are recorded in the parish registers. Church of England burial registers frequently include the names of nonconformists who were buried in the churchyard when no other cemetery was available. Burial registers may provide you with important information about your ancestors. Beginning in 1598, parish ministers sent copies of their registers to the Bishop of the church diocese each year. These copies are called Bishops' transcripts. Also in 1598, ministers were ordered to keep their parish registers on parchment and to copy the earlier registers onto parchment because the early paper copies were deteriorating. In some cases, early registers were lost before they could be copied. In some counties the parish ministers sent copies of their registers to the Archdeacon rather than the Bishop. These copies are called Archdeacons' transcripts. Many of England's geographically large parishes had smaller churches located in distant areas of the parish. These smaller churches were called Chapels of Ease or Chapelries. The curates in charge of the chapelries also recorded christenings, burials, and sometimes marriages. Chapelry records may be found with the parish registers, or they may be filed separately. Beginning in 1812, burials as well as christenings and marriages were recorded on preprinted register forms. These later registers usually give more details than the earlier ones. Tips Tip 1. What sources will help me find burial records for the parish where my ancestor lived? These sources will help you identify existing parish records and where they are available: England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Burial Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 4 • The Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers. This book, arranged alphabetically by county and parish, lists original parish registers that have been deposited in record repositories throughout England and lists the years covered. This book is available at the FamilySearch Library and some FamilySearch Centers. It is also available for purchase from the Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies. • FamilySearch Catalog. The catalog lists all of the Church of England records, both microfilmed originals and transcripts, in the collection of the FamilySearch Library. Go to What to Do Next. Select the catalog, and search for church records by locality on county or parish levels. • National Index of Parish Registers. This series of books, arranged by county, lists existing original parish registers, various transcript copies, and microfilmed copies of registers, and the series identifies where they are located in England. Not all counties have been published. This series is available at the FamilySearch Library and may be purchased from the Society of Genealogists. • Bishops' Transcripts and Marriage Licences...a Guide to their Location and Indexes. This book (4th ed. 1997) lists where Bishop's transcripts are deposited. It is available at the Family History Library and may be purchased from the Federation of Family History Societies. Tip 2. What should I keep in mind when searching burial records? • Search burials for children who died before they could be christened. • Search burials for additional children of a family when gaps of more than three years between christenings occur. • Burials often provide the age at death, which may help you in your search for your ancestor's christening record. • If you don't find your ancestor in the parish where you think he or she should be, search surrounding parishes. • Check to see whether chapelries were in the parish, and search chapelry records also. • If you know only an approximate date, search a range of years. • If possible, search both original parish registers and any available transcript copies. One copy of a record may give more detail than another. • If the handwriting is difficult, study it, and read little by little until you can read it all. Tip 3. What if the church records I searched do not provide conclusive information about my ancestor? When information from church records does not give you conclusive information or does not solve the research problem directly, you can follow these suggestions: • Search surrounding areas for other possibilities. • If you find a likely person in a parish but you are not certain he or she is your ancestor, search parishes in at least a 15-mile radius. If you do not find any other possibility, this strengthens the probability that the first person was correct. When you find two or more possible burial entries for a person, try to eliminate possibilities by: • Finding a will for one or more of the persons. • Finding monumental inscriptions for one or more of the likely entries. • Finding the occupation. • Finding the place of residence. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Burial Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 5 Where to Find It FamilySearch Centers Most FamilySearch Centers will not have microfilmed copies of burial records for England in their collections, but centers can borrow microfilms from the FamilySearch Library. There is a small fee to have a microfilm sent on loan to a center. FamilySearch Centers are located throughout the United States and other areas of the world. See FamilySearch Centers for the address and phone number of the center nearest you. FamilySearch Library The FamilySearch Library has the largest collection in the world of microfilmed and printed church records for England. The library also has indexes to church and cemetery burial records. There is no fee for using the library's collection of records and indexes in person. The records available at the FamilySearch Library are listed in the FamilySearch Library Catalog. Go to What to Do Next. Select the catalog, and look for church and cemetery records and indexes on the county and parish or town levels. You may also request photocopies of burial records from the library for a small fee. You will need to fill out a Request for Photocopies form, which is available at the library and all Family History Centers. Complete the form with the library call number for the record or index, which you found in your search of the FamilySearch Catalog (see What to Do Next). Send the form and the fee to the FamilySearch Library. See Library Services and Resources for more information about using the FamilySearch Library or a FamilySearch Center. Society of Genealogists The Society of Genealogists in London has a collection of over 9,000 parish register transcript copies and numerous indexes and other compiled sources. They are located at: 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA Family History Societies County and district family history societies in England extract and index many types of records of genealogical value, including church burial records. The following two national indexing projects are currently underway to index burial registers: • The National Burial Indexing Project administered by The Federation of Family History Societies. • FreeREG, administered by Rootsweb.com. Some completed indexes of individual parishes and regions are available for purchase and may be found in some libraries and record offices, including the FamilySearch Library. The Federation of Family History Societies publishes guides to indexes. These guides include: • Specialist Indexes for Family Historians. • [County:] A Genealogical Bibliography. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Burial Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 6 Many family history societies have Internet websites that list their indexes. You may access the websites of the individual societies through the Federation of Family History Societies website. Archives, Libraries, and Record Offices County record offices in England are officially designated repositories for church records. Other archives and libraries also have collections of church records, some of which are originals. Addresses for many archives, libraries, and record offices in England can be obtained on the Internet at ARCHON (Archives online). If you know the name of a repository, choose Repository Lists and search by name. If you do not know the name of the repository but you do know what city or county it is located in, choose Repository Search and search by city or county name. Archives, libraries, and record offices may provide a service for brief searches of records in their collections. You may write and request a specific search for information on your ancestor. Send an International Reply Coupon for return postage (obtainable at most major post offices worldwide) and your brief request, giving specific information about your ancestor and the search you want made. If an archive does not provide a search service, or if you need a more extensive search made, they can also send you a list of record agents and professional genealogists you can hire to do research for you. Local parishes In some cases, you may need to write to a parish to access information in the parish registers. In 1974, the English government required parish registers to be deposited at county record offices and other archives in order to preserve them under archival conditions and standards. Most parishes complied or have done so since. Some parishes were able to provide the required archival conditions at their church and did not deposit their registers. Crockford's Clerical Directory lists addresses of parish ministers. It is available at the Family History Library and may be available at public and university libraries. Addresses of many churches can also be found on the Internet at Churchnet. When writing to parish ministers for research help, you should enclose: • International Reply coupons for airmail return postage (available at post offices). • Minimum payment for services equivalent to 10 English pounds sterling. • A brief research request with specific details of who and what you are looking for. Samples The following is an example of the standard post-1812 burial registers that Church of England ministers used to record burials: Burials in the Parish of St Mary at Hill, Norwich in the County of Norfolk in the year 1834 Name Abode When Age By Whom Ceremony Performed John Sadler High Street 12 Jan 49 Charles Brittain Samuel Henry Billingham, son of Thomas and Sarah York Street 2 Feb 3 R. Hickman Daniel Jarvis Brock Pl 3 Mar 55 R. Hickman Richard Jones Workhouse 1 Apr Infant Charles Brittain

FamilySearch Library • 35 North West Temple Street • Salt Lake City, UT 84150-3400 USA England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Christening Information Guide Introduction Church of England christening registers are excellent sources of birth related information, especially before civil registration began in 1837. From 1538, local Church of England officials kept registers of christenings, marriages, and burials. These records continue to the present. If you are not certain of your ancestor's religion, always search Church of England records first. For more information about Church of England records, see Background. What You Are Looking For Your ancestor's name in Church of England christening records. The following information may be found in christening records (see also Samples): • Surname and given names of parents (mother's maiden name is usually not given). • Date of christening. • Place of christening. • Occupation of father (more often after 1812). • Place or street of residence (more often after 1812). • Date of birth (sometimes). Steps The following 6 steps will help you use Church of England christening records: Step 1. Identify what christening records exist for the parish where your ancestor lived. Church of England christening records exist in several original and copy forms. These include: • Parish registers. • Bishop's transcripts. • Archdeacons' transcripts (similar to Bishops' transcripts). • Parish register transcripts (copies made many years later). For a list of sources that can help you identify what christening records exist for the parish where your ancestor lived, go to Tip 1. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Christening Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 2 Step 2. Search indexes to christening records first. Indexes will save you time when searching christening records. Many indexes have been created. They include: • International Genealogical Index. • Vital Records Index: British Isles. • Indexes created by family history societies. • Indexes created by archives, libraries, and record offices. To find indexes, see Where To Find It. Step 3. Decide where you will search christening records. You may search christening records at the following locations: • FamilySearch Centers • FamilySearch Library • Society of Genealogists • Archives, libraries, and county record offices • Family History Societies For a list of sources that can help you find where christening records are located, go to Tip 1. Based on availability and convenience for you, decide where you will search christening records for the parish where your ancestor lived. Step 4. Search christening records for the parish where your ancestor lived. You can search christening records by: • Personally visiting an archive where originals or copies are located. • Corresponding with the archive and having them conduct a search. • Hiring a record agent or professional genealogist to search a specific record or to conduct research for you. For a list of things to keep in mind when searching christening records, go to Tip 2. Step 5. Copy the information and document your source. Copy the family information from the christening registers into your research notes and on to the family group sheets and pedigree chart for your ancestor. Be sure to note the source of the information you found. When you note your source, you document the record. If you should ever need to find the source of the record again, your documentation will show you where to find it. If others should consult your research, they will also know where to find the source. Note your source on your research log, and include the library or archive call number for the source. Your research log will serve as a guide to your research. When making a photocopy of a record, also note the source on the copy. For further tips on record keeping, see the Society of Genealogists' (London, England) leaflet, Note Taking &amp; Keeping for Genealogists. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Christening Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 3 Step 6. Evaluate the information. Compare information you found in christening registers with what you already know about your ancestor. Does it: • Support what you know? • Add to what you know? • Conflict with what you know? (If the information conflicts, use other sources to verify it.) • Does the information suggest other sources to search? Then ask yourself: • Did the record have the information I wanted? • Is the information accurate? Background Description A christening is the ceremony by which a child is both baptized into the church and given a name. From as early as 1538, ministers of the Church of England have recorded the christenings performed within their parishes. The christenings are recorded in the parish registers. Parish registers may provide you with important information about your ancestors. Each year, beginning in 1598, parish ministers sent copies of their registers to the Bishop of the church diocese. These copies are called Bishops' transcripts. Also in 1598, ministers were ordered to keep their parish registers on parchment and to copy the earlier registers onto parchment because the early paper copies were deteriorating. In some cases, early registers were lost before they could be copied. In some counties the parish ministers sent copies of their registers to the Archdeacon rather than the Bishop. These copies are called Archdeacons' transcripts. Many of England's geographically large parishes had smaller churches located in distant areas of the parish. These smaller churches were called Chapels of Ease or Chapelries. The curates in charge of the chapelries also recorded christenings, burials, and sometimes marriages. Chapelry records may be found with the parish registers, or they may be filed separately. Beginning in 1812, christenings as well as marriages and burials were recorded on preprinted register forms. These later registers usually give more details than the earlier ones. Tips Tip 1. What sources will help me find christening records for the parish where my ancestor lived? These sources will help you identify existing parish records and where they are available: • The Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers. This book, arranged alphabetically by county and parish, lists original parish registers that have been deposited in record repositories throughout England and lists the years covered. This book is available at the FamilySearch Library and some FamilySearch Centers. It is also available for purchase from the Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Christening Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 4 • FamilySearch Catalog. The catalog lists all of the Church of England records, both microfilmed originals and transcripts, in the collection of the FamilySearch Library. Go to What to Do Next. Select the catalog, and search for church records by locality on county or parish levels. • National Index of Parish Registers. This series of books, arranged by county, lists existing original parish registers, various transcript copies, and microfilmed copies of registers, and the series identifies where they are located in England. Not all counties have been published. This series is available at the FamilySearch Library and may be purchased from the Society of Genealogists. • Bishops' Transcripts and Marriage Licences...a Guide to their Location and Indexes. This book (4th ed. 1997) lists where Bishop's transcripts are deposited. It is available at the Family History Library and may be purchased from the Federation of Family History Societies. Tip 2. What should I keep in mind when searching christening records? • Children could be christened days or even months after they were born. • Search a wide span of years until you are certain you have found all children of a couple. • If you don't find your ancestor in the parish where you think he or she should be, search surrounding parishes. • Check to see whether there were chapelries in the parish, and search chapelry records also. • If you know only an approximate date, search a range of years. • Search burial registers to find children who might have died before they could be christened. • If possible, search both original parish registers and any available transcript copies. One copy of a record may give more detail than another. • If the handwriting is difficult, study it and read little by little until you can read it all. Tip 3. What if the church records I searched do not provide conclusive information about my ancestor? When information from church records does not give you conclusive information or does not solve the research problem directly, you can: • Search surrounding areas for other possibilities. • If you find a likely person in a parish but you are not certain it is your ancestor, search parishes in at least a 15-mile radius. If you do not find any other possibility, this strengthens the probability that the first person was correct. When you find two or more possible christening entries for a person, try to eliminate possibilities by: • Finding burials for one or more children. • Comparing the names of children in the families to known names in your ancestor's family and later generations. • Finding a will that names family members. • Finding marriages for the other persons. • Comparing fathers' occupations and residences to what you know about your ancestor and family. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Christening Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 5 Where to Find It FamilySearch Centers Most FamilySearch Centers will not have microfilmed copies of christening records for England in their collections, but centers can borrow microfilms from the FamilySearch Library. There is a small fee to have a microfilm sent on loan to a center. The International Genealogical Index is available at all FamilySearch Centers. FamilySearch Centers are located throughout the United States and other areas of the world. See FamilySearch Centers for the address and phone number of the center nearest you. FamilySearch Library The FamilySearch Library has the largest collection in the world of microfilmed and printed church records for England. The library also has indexes to church records including the International Genealogical Index, the Vital Records Index: British Isles, and others. There is no fee for using the library's collection of records and indexes in person. The Vital Records Index: British Isles on CD is also available to purchase for home computers. The records available at the FamilySearch Library are listed in the FamilySearch Library Catalog. Go to What to Do Next. Select the catalog, and look for church records on the county and parish or town levels. You may also request photocopies of christening records from the library for a small fee. You will need to fill out a Request for Photocopies form, which is available at the library and all Family History Centers. Complete the form with the library call number for the record or index, which you found in your search of the FamilySearch Catalog (see What to Do Next). Send the form and the fee to the FamilySearch Library. See Library Services and Resources for more information about using the FamilySearch Library or a FamilySearch Center. Society of Genealogists The Society of Genealogists in London has a collection of over 8,000 parish register transcript copies and numerous indexes and other compiled sources. They are located at: 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA Family History Societies County and district family history societies in England extract and index many types of records of genealogical value, including church christening records. Most indexes are available for purchase and may be found in some libraries, including the FamilySearch Library. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Christening Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 6 The Federation of Family History Societies publishes guides to indexes. These guides include: • Specialist Indexes for Family Historians. • [County:] A Genealogical Bibliography. Many family history societies have Internet websites that list their indexes. You may access the websites of the individual societies through the Federation of Family History Societies website. Archives, Libraries, and Record Offices County record offices in England are officially designated repositories for church records. Other archives and libraries also have collections of church records, some of which are originals. Addresses for many archives, libraries, and record offices in England can be obtained on the Internet at ARCHON (Archives online). If you know the name of a repository, choose Repository Lists and search by name. If you do not know the name of the repository but you do know what city or county it is located in, choose Repository Search and search by city or county name. Archives, libraries, and record offices may provide a service for brief searches of records in their collections. You may write and request a specific search for information on your ancestor. Send an International Reply Coupon for return postage (obtainable at most major post offices worldwide) and your brief request, giving specific information about your ancestor and the search you want made. If an archive does not provide a search service, or if you need a more extensive search made, they can also send you a list of record agents and professional genealogists whom you can hire to do research for you. Local parishes In some cases, you may need to write to a parish to access information in the parish registers. In 1974, the English government required parish registers to be deposited at county record offices and other archives in order to preserve them under archival conditions and standards. Most parishes complied or have done so since. Some parishes were able to provide the required archival conditions at their church and did not deposit their registers. A source for the addresses of parish ministers is Crockford's Clerical Directory, which is available at the FamilySearch Library and may be available at public and university libraries. Addresses of many churches can also be found on the Internet at Churchnet. When writing to parish ministers for research help, you should enclose: • International Reply coupons for airmail return postage (available at post offices). • Minimum payment for services equivalent to 10 English pounds sterling. • A brief research request with specific details of who and what you are looking for. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Christening Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 7 Samples The following is an example of the standard post-1812 christening registers. BAPTISMS Solemnized in the Parish of St Mary, Kingswinford in the County of Staffordshire in the year One thousand eight hundred and twenty four. When Baptized Child's Christian Name Christian Name (Parents) Surname (Parents) Abode Quality Trade, or Profession By whom Ceremony performed 16 Mar 1824 James Lobb Daniel &amp; Anne Johns Wordsley Whitesmith T. J. Slade 27 Mar 1824 Catherine Jane Thomas &amp; Caroline Round Amblecote Laborer T.J. Slade 28 Mar 1824 John Perry Edward &amp; Mary Shepherd Brockmore Nailmaker T.J. Slade 1 Apr 1824 Elijah Abraham &amp;J ane Bate Wollescote Railway Laborer T.J. Slade 3 Apr 1824 Hannah Sarah Woodcock Stourbridge Washer woman T.J. Slade

FamilySearch Library • 35 North West Temple Street • Salt Lake City, UT 84150-3400 USA England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Marriage Information Guide Introduction Church of England marriage registers are excellent sources of marriage information, especially before civil registration began in 1837. From 1538, local Church of England officials kept registers of christenings, marriages, and burials. These records continue to the present. If you do not know for certain the religion to which your ancestor belonged, always search the marriage registers of the Church of England first. For more information about Church of England marriage records, see Background. What You Are Looking For Your ancestor's name in Church of England marriage records. The following information may be found in marriage records: • Surnames and given names of husband and wife. • Date of marriage. • Place (name of parish) of marriage. • Occupation (sometimes). • Marital status (especially after 1753). • Place or street of residence. • Names of witnesses. • How married, whether by banns or license. Steps The following 6 steps will help you find information in the Church of England marriage registers: Step 1. Identify what marriage records exist for the parish where your ancestor lived.

Transfer from Research Guidance The following information needs to be reviewed and incorporated into the Wiki.

Church of England marriage records exist in several original and copy forms. These include: • Parish registers. • Bishop's transcripts. • Archdeacons' transcripts (similar to Bishops' transcripts). • Parish register transcripts (copies made many years later). For a list of sources that can help you identify what marriage records exist for the parish where your ancestor lived, go to Tip 1. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Marriage Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 2 Step 2. Search indexes to marriage records first. Indexes will save you time when searching marriage records. Many indexes have been created. They include: • International Genealogical Index. • Vital Records Index: British Isles. • Indexes created by family history societies. • Indexes created by archives, libraries, and record offices. • Indexes created by individuals and donated to archives or libraries. To find indexes, go to Tip 1 and Where To Find It. Step 3. Decide where you will search marriage records. You may search marriage records at the following locations: • FamilySearch Centers. • FamilySearch Library. • Society of Genealogists. • Archives, libraries, and county record offices. • Family History Societies. For a list of sources that can help you find which marriage records are located where, go to Tip 1. Based on availability and accessibility, decide where you will search marriage records for the parish where your ancestor lived. Step 4. Search the marriage records for the parish where your ancestor lived. You can search marriage records by: • Personally visiting an archive where originals or copies are located. • Corresponding with the archive and having them conduct a search. • Hiring a record agent or professional researcher to search a specific record or to conduct research for you. For a list of things to keep in mind when searching marriage records, go to Tip 2. Step 5. Copy the information, and document your source. Copy the family information from the marriage registers into your research notes and onto the family group sheets and pedigree chart for your ancestor. Be sure to note the source of the information you found. When you note your source, you document the record. If you should ever need to find the source of the record again, your documentation will show you where to find it. If others should consult your research, they will also know where to find the source. Note your source on your research log, and include the library or archive call number for the source. Your research log will serve as a guide to your research. When making a photocopy of a record, also note the source on the copy. For further tips on record keeping, see the Society of Genealogists' (London, England) leaflet, Note Taking &amp; Keeping for Genealogists. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Marriage Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 3 Step 6. Evaluate the information you found. Compare information you found in marriage registers with what you already know about your ancestor. Does it: • Support what you know? • Add to what you know? • Conflict with what you know? (If the information conflicts, use other sources to verify it.) • Does the information suggest other sources to search? Then ask yourself: • Did the record have the information I wanted? • Is the information accurate? Background Description Church of England marriage registers record the ceremony by which a man and woman were lawfully wedded. In a court of law, such events were legally binding. From as early as 1538, ministers of the Church of England recorded the marriages performed within their parishes in the parish registers. Parish registers may provide you with important information about your ancestors. Each year, beginning in 1598, parish ministers sent copies of their registers to the Bishop of the church diocese. These copies are called Bishops' transcripts. Also in 1598, ministers were ordered to keep their parish registers on parchment and to copy the earlier registers onto parchment because the early paper copies were deteriorating. In some cases, early registers were lost before they could be copied. In some counties the parish ministers sent copies of their registers to the Archdeacon rather than the Bishop. These copies are called Archdeacons' transcripts. Many of England's geographically large parishes had smaller churches located in distant areas of the parish. These smaller churches were called Chapels of Ease or Chapelries. The curates in charge of the chapelries also recorded christenings, burials and sometimes marriages. Chapelry records may be found with the parish registers, or they may be filed separately. During the English Civil War of 1642 to 1660, government turmoil disrupted parish register keeping. Many marriages were performed by civil, rather than church, authorities. Prior to 1753, many marriages were being performed by ministers of Nonconformist religious groups and other unauthorized officials. These were considered clandestine marriages. Lord Hardwick's Marriage Act of 1753 required that all marriages be performed by Church of England authority. This act was enforced until Civil Registration began in 1837. Marriages were recorded on preprinted forms. Intention to marry had to be declared by either a license obtained from the office of the Bishop of the diocese or by banns. Records relating to the license include the declaration of intent, called an allegation, and the bond, posted to insure there were no hindrances to the marriage. These records were filed in the diocesan office. Registers of marriage banns were also kept, which give information similar to the marriage register. Since 1837, Church of England marriage registers contain the same information as Civil Registration marriage certificates. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Marriage Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 4 Tips Tip 1. What sources will help me find marriage records for the parish where my ancestor lived? These sources will help you identify existing marriage records and indexes and where to find them: • The Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers. This book, arranged alphabetically by county and parish, lists original parish registers that have been deposited in record repositories throughout England and lists the years covered. It also lists marriage indexes and where to write for them. This book is available at the FamilySearch Library and some FamilySearch Centers. It is also available for purchase from the Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies. • FamilySearch Catalog. The catalog lists all of the Church of England records, both microfilmed originals and transcripts, in the collection of the FamilySearch Library. Go to What to Do Next. Select the catalog, and search for church records by locality on county or parish levels. Be sure to look for indexes also. • National Index of Parish Registers. This series of books, arranged by county, lists existing original parish registers, various transcript copies, and microfilmed copies of registers, and the series identifies where they are located in England. Not all counties have been published. This series is available at the FamilySearch Library and may be purchased from the Society of Genealogists. • Bishops' Transcripts and Marriage Licences...a Guide to their Location and Indexes. This book (4th ed. 1997) lists where Bishop's transcripts and diocesan marriage licenses are deposited. It is available at the FamilySearch Library and may be purchased from the Federation of Family History Societies. • Marriage and Census Indexes for Family Historians. This book (7th ed. 1998) lists indexes to marriages that have been created and where to find them. It is available at the Family History Library and may be purchased from the Federation of Family History Societies. Tip 2. What should I keep in mind when searching marriage records? • If you know only an approximate date, search a range of years. • If you can determine when a couple's eldest child was born, search for their marriage in the years just prior. • If a bride and groom were from different parishes, the marriage more likely took place in the bride's parish. • If a bride and groom were from different parishes, they may have been married by license. • If the marriage register indicates the couple was married by license, you should also search for the marriage bond and allegation in diocesan records. • If the marriage register indicates the couple was married by banns, you should also search for the banns register. • If you don't find your ancestor in the parish where you think he or she should be, search the surrounding parishes. • Check to see whether there were chapelries in the parish, and search chapelry records also. • Search for additional marriages for each spouse. • To complete your family group records, search for the marriage of each child. • If possible, search both original parish registers and any available transcript copies. One copy of a record may give more detail than another. • If the handwriting is difficult, study it and read little by little until you can read it all. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Marriage Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 5 Tip 3. How do I look for marriage bonds and allegations? Prior to 1837, if a couple was married by license, they applied for that license at the office of the Bishop of the Diocese. Some applied at the various offices of the Archbishop of Canterbury. The documents you will find when researching a marriage by license are the bond and the allegation. These records were filed in the diocesan office, and most are now available in county record offices and other archives and libraries. Many have been microfilmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah and are available at the FamilySearch Library. For further information about these repositories, go to Where to Find It. When looking for marriage bonds and allegations in the FamilySearch Catalog, search on the county and country levels. Go to What to Do Next, select the catalog, and look for the subject of CHURCH RECORDS. Tip 4. What if the church records I searched do not provide conclusive information about my ancestor? When information from church records does not give you conclusive information or does not solve the research problem directly, you can: • Search surrounding areas for other possibilities. • If you find a likely person in a parish but you are not certain it is your ancestor, search parishes in at least a 15-mile radius. If you do not find any other possibility, this strengthens the probability that the first person was correct. When you find two or more possible marriage entries for a person, try to eliminate possibilities by: • Compiling separate family groups of children for the two or more couples. • Comparing the names of children in the families to known names in your ancestor's family and later generations. • Finding a will that names family members. Where to Find It FamilySearch Centers Most FamilySearch Centers will not have microfilmed copies of marriage records for England in their collections, but centers can borrow microfilms from the FamilySearch Library. There is a small fee to have a microfilm sent on loan to a center. The International Genealogical Index is available at all FamilySearch Centers. FamilySearch Centers are located throughout the United States and other areas of the world. See FamilySearch Centers for the address and phone number of the center nearest you. FamilySearch Library The FamilySearch Library has the largest collection in the world of microfilmed and printed church records for England. The library also has indexes to church records, including the International Genealogical Index, the Vital Records Index: British Isles, and others. There is no fee for using the library's collection of records and indexes in person. The Vital Records Index: British Isles on CD is also available to purchase for home computers. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Marriage Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 6 The records available at the FamilySearch Library are listed in the FamilySearch Library Catalog. Go to What to Do Next. Select the catalog, and look for church records on the county and parish or town levels. You may also request photocopies of marriage records from the library for a small fee. You will need to fill out a Request for Photocopies form, which is available at the library and all Family History Centers. Complete the form with the library call number for the record or index, which you found in your search of the FamilySearch Catalog (see What to Do Next). Send the form and fee to the FamilySearch Library. See Library Services and Resources for more information about using the FamilySearch Library or a FamilySearch Center. Society of Genealogists The Society of Genealogists in London has a collection of over 8,000 parish register transcript copies and numerous indexes and other compiled sources. They are located at: 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road London EC1M 7BA Family History Societies County and district family history societies in England extract and index many types of records of genealogical value, including church marriage records. Most indexes are available for purchase and may be found in some libraries, including the FamilySearch Library. The Federation of Family History Societies publishes guides to indexes. These guides include: • Marriage and Census Indexes for Family Historians (7th ed. 1998). • Specialist Indexes for Family Historians. • [County:] A Genealogical Bibliography. Many family history societies have Internet websites that list their indexes. You may access the websites of the individual societies through the Federation of Family History Societies website. Archives, Libraries, and Record Offices County record offices in England are officially designated repositories for church records. Other archives and libraries also have collections of church records, some of which are original. Addresses for many archives, libraries, and record offices in England can be obtained on the Internet at ARCHON (Archives online). If you know the name of a repository, choose Repository Lists and search by name. If you do not know the name of the repository but you do know what city or county it is located in, choose Repository Search and search by city or county name. Archives, libraries, and record offices may provide a service for brief searches of records in their collections. You may write and request a specific search for information on your ancestor. Send an International Reply Coupon for return postage (obtainable at most major post offices worldwide) and your brief request, giving specific information about your ancestor and the search you want made. If an archive does not provide a search service, or if you need a more extensive search made, they can also send you a list of record agents for professional genealogists whom you can hire to do research for you. England, How to Use Church of England Records to Find Marriage Information Research Guidance Version of Data: 08/10/01 7 Local parishes In some cases, you may need to write to a parish to access information in the parish registers. In 1974, the English government required parish registers to be deposited at county record offices and other archives in order to preserve them under archival conditions and standards. Most parishes complied or have done so since. Some parishes that were able to provide the required archival conditions at their church did not deposit their registers. A source for the addresses of parish ministers is Crockford's Clerical Directory. It is available at the FamilySearch Library and may be available at public and university libraries. Addresses of many churches can also be found on the Internet at Churchnet. When writing to parish ministers for research help, you should enclose: • International Reply coupons for airmail return postage (available at post offices). • Minimum payment for services equivalent to 10 English pounds sterling. • A brief research request with specific details of who and what you are looking for.

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Until the early 19th century, the Church of England (Anglican Church) was the established or state-run church in England. Those individuals and families who chose not to belong to or affiliate with it became known as nonconformists. Nonconformist religions include: Presbyterians Methodists (all sects) Baptists Independents (or Congregationalists) Roman Catholics Quakers Latter-day Saints (Mormons) Jews Huguenots Others.

Although you will find some marriages and burials of nonconformists in Church of England registers, ministers of nonconformist religions kept their own records of births, baptisms, burials, and sometimes marriages. The records of nonconformist religions may sometimes contain more details than those of the Church of England.

For more information about nonconformists and their records, see Background.

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What You Are Looking For

Your ancestor's name in a nonconformist baptism (or christening), marriage, or burial register. The information you find may include:

Names (parents, mother's maiden surname, grandparents, godparents). Dates. Marriage information (before 1754 and after July 1837). Occupations. Residence. Age.

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Steps

These 6 steps will help you find and use nonconformist church records.

Step 1. Identify the nonconformist churches or chapels near the area where your ancestor lived.

Gazetteers and topographical dictionaries provide information about the location of nonconformist chapels and congregations throughout England. The following two gazetteers can help you learn what nonconformist churches existed in the town or parish where your ancestor lived:

Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of England (1845) Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales (1868-1870)

County and local histories may also help you identify nonconformist chapels. Go to What to Do Next, and select the FamilySearch Catalog. Search for histories on the county or parish level for the area where your ancestor lived.

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Step 2. Learn what nonconformist records exist.

Many original and microfilmed copies of nonconformist registers of baptisms, marriages, and burials exist. Some have been transcribed, compiled, and printed by individuals and historical societies.

The Public Record Office of England has a large collection of original nonconformist church records. Other nonconformist registers have been deposited at county record offices.

Nonconformist registers available at the FamilySearch Library are listed in the FamilySearch Catalog on the country, county, and town or parish levels.

See Where to Find It for the locations of these and other deposited, published, and microfilmed registers.

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Step 3. Decide where you will search nonconformist records.

Nonconformist registers are found at the following locations:

FamilySearch Centers. FamilySearch Library. Public Record Office. Society of Genealogists. Archives, libraries, and county record offices.

Based on availability and convenience, decide where you will search the nonconformist records you need to find your ancestor.

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Step 4. Search original nonconformist records.

You can search the nonconformist records by:

Personally visiting an archive where originals or copies are deposited. Corresponding with an archive and requesting a limited search. Hiring a record agent to search the records for you. Writing to the local minister who has custody of the original registers.

Tip: Many of the microfilmed nonconformist registers available at the FamilySearch Library have been indexed in the International Genealogical Index and the Vital Records Index - British Isles. Search these two indexes first.

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Step 5. Copy the information and document your source.

Copy the family information from the nonconformist registers into your research notes and onto the family group sheets and pedigree chart for your ancestor. Be sure to note the source of the information you found. When you note your source, you document the record. If you should ever need to find the source of the record again, your documentation will show you where to find it. If others should consult your research, they will also see where to find the source.

Note the source on your research log, and include the library or archive call number for the source. Your research log will serve as a guide to your research. When making a photocopy of a record, also note the source on the copy.

For further Tips on record keeping, see the Society of Genealogists' (London, England) leaflet, Note Taking &amp; Keeping for Genealogists.

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Step 6. Evaluate the information.

Compare information you found in the nonconformist registers with what you already know about your ancestor. Does it:

Support what you know? Add to what you know? Conflict with what you know? (If the information conflicts, use other sources to verify it.)

Then ask yourself:

Did the record have the information I wanted? Is the information accurate? Does the information suggest other sources to search?

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Major Websites table and IGI
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I'd like to discuss some of the recent changes made to this page. I've noticed that we keep reverting each other edits so we should seek a consensus moving forward.

1. You are making edits that Bedfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Cumberland ... and many other counties have online indexed records from FamilySearch. Looking at the list of historical record collections https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=1986340 these counties do not have church records on FamilySearch. '''[Answer: The Historical Records Collections page does NOT properly reflect the fact that tens of millions of additional England name entries from CMBs are also actually incorporated into the FamilySearch databases. This is not well known, unfortunately. The vast majority of England's counties have been indexed since 1969 with well over 70 percent of country coverage thus far; burials are excepted, which now are being indexed. The Historical Records Collections pertains only to those collections which have either been mostly/completely indexed, or, which are in-process towards becoming a completed [indexing] project. This component of FamilySearch's databases (Historical Records Collections) in no way reflects what additional other indexing projects which have been on-going for the last (at least) 39 years by FamilySearch. For example, FamilySearch.org, and formerly The Genealogical Society of Utah has been indexing especially Church of England parish registers, for ALL counties, i.e. Bedfordshire - with about 97 percent of its 131 ancient parishes indexed (mostly christenings, marriages and now, many burials; and Cumberland with at least 90 percent of its ancient parishes registers were indexed during this time span. So these name entries also make up a great portion of the names "Results" when performing searches in the FamilySearch.org's search engine--even though the Historical Records Collection page makes no reference of 'Bedfordshire' and 'Cumberland' names databas.] My view is that the IGI should be treated seperately, and not be included in this table. [Answer: See no. 3 below.] Or do you mean that there are non conformist records from those counties in the RG4-8 collection?  [Answer:  FamilySearch was granted permissions to microfilm in the 1970's and again in the 1990's, and later, vast numbers of Nonconformist church registers at the UK National Archives and we've been indexing these since the 1970's; so when you run a search in the FamilySearch search engine, you are also searching these names. Yes, reference should and ought to be mentioned here in this table since these names cover every portion of England.]''' If that is the case I feel this should be mentioned just once, prehaps on a new row on the table entitled "General non-conformist". Saying that FamilySearch has records from those counties gives an intial impression many/most records will be available, whereas only minorities in most areas were non-conformist.

2. I don't feel that local collections belong on this table for "major websites". Instead they should go on the page [County] Church Records. '''[Answer: Since this Table addresses key websites for researching counties and county-wide collections, this table NEEDS to  be the placement for i.e. Durham Records Online website, or the Nimrod Marriage Index for Wiltshire (which is considered to be 100 percent complete), or the Joiner Marriage Index for Yorkshire, Cumberland, etc. If you or I--or any researcher/user have an ancestor from county Durham, and i.e. FamilySearch's databases do not provide the sought-for christening, then knowing the next, best website--regardless whether it's "local" to Durham or not, is critical to continuing the search. Right? What better place, than here, since these local websites are a tremendous help in enabling our users to smoothly continue conducting their research with as much coverage of a county as possible. And I agree with you, these (large) but local websites (with significant county-wide coverage) must be referenced or mentioned in the County pages of our Wiki as well. However, I advocate and suggest there is no sufficient reason to preclude us from NOT mentioning these websites with local database coverage here in this England Church Records websites table.]'''

3. Do the user submitted "Genealogies" that form part of the IGI really belong here?. These 897 million records come from all round the world, and only a small minority would be based from research in England Church Records. These records are secondary, not the original parish records themselves. There are other pages, e.g. England Compiled Genealogies that in my view would be a better place for this information. '''[Answer: Nonconformist church register entries were separated from and integrated into the databases at FamilySearch along with all the parish registers of the Church of England. There are no RG4-RG8 entries in the current IGI, as revealed to me by our chief engineer, here at FamilySearch a few years ago. The current IGI now contains only those names that were patron submitted entries from the 19th century to the 1980's. Therefore the IGI should be mentioned in this section here--if not at least as a "see" reference--since it contains nearly 10 percent or 87 million England names, not to mention 4.6 million for Wales; 5.8 million for Ireland, and 14.9 million for Scotland. And, since the IGI, under "Genealogies" is a stand-alone database with it's own search engine, it's a significant resource in which to search. It SHOULD be given a liberal/sufficient level of visibility by it being referenced here in this section in the FamilySearch Wiki. These entries, while many of them are what I'd term 'fuzzy' entries, i.e. "abt 1600", or, "England", are however, some/many name entries which actually were pragmatically researched and with credible thoroughness.

Per your suggestion, I will eventually create a link here in the England Church Records page (in the IGI section) to a page all its own providing a bit more content about the IGI. Also regarding your suggestion to creating a column for Nonconformist Indexes, I would suggest a statement either at the top of the Table, or just below it, addressing the fact that FamilySearch has indexed a vast portion of these church registers and "Results" are returned each time a user runs a search (in FamilySearch).]'''

Until I hear a reply I will not be making any further edits, apart from a small tweak to your section around the line in the IGI section "A camera symbol with a key indicates the image is accessible at home" which is misleading.

Thank you '''[May we please request no further deletions or "reverting" be made to this now up-to-date, accurate rendering of this Table. Thanks for your interest and concerns. With sincere respect to you and for your considerable care and passion for all things British (and Irish!), Phillip Dunn England & Scotland AG

Sr British Research Specialist

FamilySearch.org]'''

--Av85647 (talk) 09:17, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

If I don't hear from you within a week (by 19 April 2018), then I'll assume that you have no objections to an edit involving: corrections to the Major Websites table, adding a line for non-Conformists and removing local websites (I'd put them on the relevant local wiki pages). I'd also trim down the IGI section. See my earlier comment for an outline of what this edit would look like. --Av85647 (talk) 09:41, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest this compromise going forward:

1. I had a look at the Bedfordshire, Berkshire, Cumberland ... records. Undoubtedly a very high percentage of parishes have records, but they are still IGI (i.e. they are under the "England Births and Baptisms 1538-1975" collections etc.). I stand by my position that IGI should not be the in the table,as every county has some IGI, so it would be better to mention the fact just once somewhere else. You approach to the issue seems to have been to mention in the table only those counties (Bedfordshire ...) with the higher coverages in IGI, omitting the others(e.g. Northamptonshire with "only" 332,000 records according to Archersoftware). This raises the problem of how to "measure" a % coverage and what the cutoff coverage should be for inclusion in the table. Therefore I disagree with that approach. However for the 5-10 counties with the highest IGI % coverages a special mention could be made in the IGI section of the article, while continuing to stress the England-wide nature of the IGI. Certainly these records are very useful, as I recently experienced with my own research.

FreeReg is very similar to the IGI in that it covers all counties but has only a fraction of the records that exist. To be consistent, the two should be treated the same. Therefore I'm also proposing that FreeReg is removed from the table but somewhere else the counties for which it has good coverage are mentioned, while stressing that all counties are represented in its records.

2. We seem to agree that there should be a non-Conformist row in the table for the RG4-8 collection

3. For local databases, I suppose that if an online database has near complete coverage for a county it could be mentioned on the table, with a hyperlink to the site. But offline indexes and those with partial coverage in my opinion should only be mentioned on the [County] Church Records pages.

4. The user submitted IGI records could stay with a notice that England records make up a small percentage of the whole dataset and a warning that this is the work of others, not original church records.

5. The table is entitled "Major Websites" not "Best Resources", and includes a note at the bottom encouraging editors to update it if new records go online. However you and me will agree not to make other edits to the table without discussing it first.

If this is acceptable to you, you can make the edit implementing these five points --Av85647 (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2018 (UTC) Similar to my last message, if I haven't heard anything within a week (by 24 Apr), then I will implement the compromise I have suggested, with the exception of point 3, as I don't know of any local databases that fit the criteria I have suggested. --Av85647 (talk) 21:15, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

I've tried to clarify my compromise proposal by writing in my Sandbox: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/User:Av85647/Sandbox Another point I raise is that in my opinion the IGI section is now too long with excessive detail. May I also request, as you have requested of me, that you do not make edits that relate to our disputes without discussing it here first. --Av85647 (talk) 07:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I will now implement the proposed compromise that has not been objected to. See also talk page of Prioritized List of Online England County Church Records about the table. --Av85647 (talk) 00:07, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

See talk page of Prioritized List of Online England County Church Records for discussion regarding replacing the existing Major Websites table with the one that has been developed on the page. I also propose that the section is renamed "Key Resources", and have set 5 July as the date I'll replace the table. --Av85647 (talk) 10:24, 1 July 2018 (UTC)