Talk:England, Kent, Land Tax Assessments - FamilySearch Historical Records

The images for this collection have been published online before a wiki article has been completed? This is meant to explain the collection which is available online? Would it not have been logical to complete this page prior to publishing images online?

The image presentation would take a great deal of manual copying; is the FamilySearch Historical Records group responsible for including a link to the collection and adding any issues with the image presentation or are FamilySearch asking local contributors to do manual additions to each place included in this collection? Hostelry 22:08, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

May we offer constructive criticism to those managing Historical Records collections as a group of Kent contributors? The presentation of images in this collection is assembled using a technology which does not enable copying of the content (or rather the "way point" headings chosen by FamilySearch). Therefore if you want towns and parishes added to relevant wiki pages ( or relevant subsequent pages created to reflect more modern parish or settlement/ places of worship) you are offering nil information at time of publication to local contributors and they are faced with the task of manually adding every item displayed in the collection. We are extremely disappointed that FamilySearch seems unable to co-ordinate publication of images and as pointed out to offer a collection with a page purporting to describe the records which has no explanation seems an unprofessional and casual attitude to publication. We believe that FamilySearch should have co-ordinated better and ensured that this series of images should have had prior to publication a detailed explanation of both the scope of the content and the record for those unfamiliar with the type of record, location etc and that those of us who have contributed our time to build parish content could have been treated better to contribute to the county's records being offered. Penshurst 08:55, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Sopsteele 12:00, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

It is good to see that content has been added to this page since 21 February 2012 when this was raised as an issue for local contributors; however I share with colleagues the inability to contribute to Historical Records pages for Kent or other counties. Hopefully in future no collection will be published without accompanying guide to the collection.Ps1964 08:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Explanation of Land Tax Series
Including the FamilySearch treatment of Boroughs and towns in the Kent in the images displayed requires some explanation of the history; this might be attempted in this page or in the relevant existing or future creation pages. For example see Tonbridge St Peter and St Paul, Kent page and talk page. The page(s) should assist novice-expert to understand why FamilySearch images have been assembled in this way and facilitate searching.

See also Thanington, Kent for explanation of the Borough of Cockering not reflected in the "way point" adopted 1780-1824; Thanington only appears 1825-1831.

Penshurst 10:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Explanation is also needed for London borough parishes ( historical/ceremonial county jurisdictions) more fundamentally explanation of the way points used for "Borough of &lt;place&gt;" and additional series under the place name example Borough of Yalding and Yalding.Penshurst 11:52, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Edits needed
"England, Kent, Land Assessments, 1689-1832:" images, FamilySearch (ttps://www.familsearch.org: assexxed 8 February 2011). entry for Thhomas Pope, Cold Harbour, 15 May 1780; citing Land Tax Records, Kent, Boshipsbourne, Land tax assessments, 1780-`839, Image 1; Kent Archives, Maidstaone, England. Maidstone and Bishopsbourn ( see image for this spelling) modern spelling is Bishopsbourne are mispelt and the entry indicates that Thomas Pope was an occupier at the "parsonage".

There are technical problems in wiki failing to accept edits and altering text but a source citation example needs to be accurate Penshurst 12:03, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Waypoints
There is some explanation needed for "the Borough of " images and "parish of" images.

Response-I have added a history of the record to explain that the FamilySearch presentation does not follow the historic presentation of bundles and to indicate that the boroughs/hamlets sub divisions have been presented awkwardly within a list of parishes. I would have preferred different scheme for waypointing but have been advised that the only way that waypoints can be corrected is to take down the collection, correct and reload which would take a good deal of re-engineering of current presentation. If the relevant parish pages link boroughs to parishes as far as possible it is the best that can be achieved within the way point arrangement Ps1964 23:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Harbledown, Kent is found on one film Land tax assessments for the borough of Tunford, including the parishes of Thannington, Harbledown, and Chartham, 1780-1832= Way Point "Borough of Tunford" and under a different film for Harbledown Parish= Way Point Harbledown. Harbledown also includes St Nicholas Hospital, Kent which is an extra parochial chapel to the ancient hospital but the ancient charter of the hospital exempts it from taxation. The confusion appears to arise from microfilming and microfilm descriptions; this page which should explain the collection including if necessary clarification of which parishes are included in the "borough of" microfilms which contain returns for more than one place.

Hostelry 14:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Borough of Eastgate 1680-1832

Borough of Eastgate and Rochester 1831

See Edward Hasted 'The city and liberty of Rochester: General history and description', The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent: Volume 4 (1798), pp. 45-86 at British History Online. Hasted describes Eastgate as synonmous with Broadgate; it can be located on a modern map of the city A church near you as within the parish of Rochester St Margaret, Kent and close to the Cathedral. Hasted also describes Southgate and Cheldegate as other gates to the compact city later removed.

Borough of Bewbridge see Wye, Kent

Images for the Borough of Hall and Penshurst are available at FamilySearch Records see England, Kent, Land Tax Assessments (FamilySearch Historical Records) 1780-1832

The image series described as "the borough of Hall" and later as Hall borough in the hundred of Wachlingstone" Land tax assessments for the parish of Penshurst and Hall borough, 1780-1832

Images for Penshurst 1780-1832 are in a separate series of images for " the town and uplands in the Parish of Penshurst".

Edward Hasted describes " There is a district in this parish, called Hallborough, which is within the lowy of Tunbridge....and there is another part of it, comprehending the estate of Chafford, which is within the jurisdiction of the duchy court of Lancaster

The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent: Volume 3 (1797), pp. 227-257. at British History Online

Borough of Harwich see Whitstable, Kent Difficult to identify which parishes south of Whitstable and north west of Canterbury apply.

Crescunt 14:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Phil that is a tricky one- possibly needs additions to parish pages of borough/hundred and potentially a content table ( ooops FamilySearch don't do those) to convert/direct to parish pages Ps1964 23:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

"Borough of Road, Division of Upper Scray" images need to be linked to relevant parishes, help needed to identify these. Best suggestion is that part of the lath of Scray in the Boughton under Blean area. Images show agricultural holdings and "Road Farm".

Suggestion I today checked Kent Registration for the other farm mentioned in the Land Tax images Gore Farm.

Images show Gore Farm and Road Farm; Gore Farm I associate with Upchurch (Sitttingbourne) which historically is in the Upper Scray lath/hundred. Gore Farm is a modern restaurant and licensed wedding venue with Kent Registration Service. Hasted mentions Gore in his entry for Upchurch "now only a mean farmhouse" and mentions a hamlet of Ham. The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent: Volume 6 (1798), pp. 24-34 at British History Online Penshurst 09:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Borough of Whetstead appears to be Whetstead north east of Gillingham see Gillingham St Mary Magdalene, Kent

The three bundles which were microfilmed for the parish of Yalding, Kent have been described in the parish page (under Phil's tutoring). Yalding has a long manorial history; Hasted does not describe a borough but does describe the geography of roads, river and canal in some detail.Whether the microfilm information is accurate remains to be seen. Decars 16:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Burham, Kent parish pages includes the Wouldham Land Tax. There was no Wouldham wiki page created although the FamilySearch Library treat each as separate parishes and have no cross reference. I have created a redirect for Wouldham and suggest that revision of the catalogue might benefit from cross reference. See discussion page for Burham, Kent.Penshurst 09:40, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

The Hoo Peninsula adjoining parishes of Hoo St Werburgh, Kent and St Mary Hoo, Kent are within one original bundle. The separate way points have followed the unfortunate descriptions "near Rochester" and "near Strood" which appear in the catalogue for the single microfilm of the bundle ( if the catalogue is accurate in the microfilm description). Examination of the 2 image series identifies each parish. I have suggested revision of the catalogue entry to correct parish as the "near" additions are unhelpful and confusing to anyone with knowledge of the Hoo Peninsula.Parish pages request help to correct catalogue descriptions. It would be preferable if the way points could also be corrected since the catalogue inventions are merely puzzling rather than helpful in identifying the two adjacent parishes. Penshurst 07:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Overlaps in Boroughs in Kent are common see Warehorne, Kent for a group of parishes where searchers need to consult different bundles and waypoints to locate a parish which overlaps. I think the parish page is the best place to enter assistance to searchers Ginnel 12:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Treatment of towns in Tonbridge and Tunbridge Wells area
The development of settlements in the old Tonbridge area and the expansion of Tunbridge Wells means that several bundles of Land Tax Assessments need to be searched; some further history needs to be developed to help searchers Images for Bidborough, Leigh and Tonbridge 1780-1832 is an example; perhaps a reference in this page together with Paul's clear explanation of the record history will go some way but more research to try to identify the "Tonbridge 1780-1832" would be useful. Sopsteele 06:56, 4 March 2012 (UTC)