Talk:Sandbox 17

Use this page as a place to swap thoughts, suggestions, and chronicle the history of how we arrived at decisions regarding U.S. Census pages.

1) Since this is where we seem to be working on the U.S. census pages, should we delete (unlink?) the U.S. census page that appears on the wiki community pages?

2) The tables are looking better each time. With the table of Online censuses:


 * I suggest making the heading all one color.
 * Note: FamilySearch Record Search does NOT link to free images from Footnote unless you're in the FHL.
 * Since the Census Bureau only has 1790 transcriptions, should that column appear on the table?
 * What might be a better word than "Partial?" "Partial" is also used to indicate an online work-in-progress. "Some?"
 * It's great to have the headings repeated at the bottom of the table!

3) Linking to other pages has certainly cleaned up the census page.

Response: 1) I'm not easily finding the link that needs to be changed. Please describe it more so I can find it. You are welcome to change the link to the more appropriate spot if you like. 2) Tables


 * We are using different colored headings on purpose in order to emphasize the different sections (free, free at some libraries, and pay). Originally the heading color was uniform, but we were asked to use slightly different colors to emphasize sections.
 * I was aware that for Record Search (Pilot) at least 1860 did not have images. Are you saying the census page images for other census years don't work outside the FHL?

Comment: Outside the FHL, the links to census images on Record Search (Pilot) takes you to an ad to subscribe to Footnote, not to the images. I haven't checked for any census images that might have been added in the past six weeks.

Genguide 21:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * 1790 still belongs on the chart even if it is just a transcription because it is "online."
 * So far I'm partial to partial. Come up with a better word and we'll change in a heartbeat. "Some" isn't even close to as good as "partial."

Keep those thoughts and suggestions coming. Diltsgd 15:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Genguide 16:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I like the word "Partial." "Some" makes it sound like we left out the records or the site has left out the records. I don't won't to go to the word "missing" or "extant" then we would have to explain too much. It is a partial census, missing records.

Hardestypn 02:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment: I haven't been able to think of a better word than "partial."

Genguide 20:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

US Census Team 30 July 2009
Each team member is pasting Sandbox 17 (template) into one or more states, and then modifying them to fit each state. Several seem to be putting these templates in the "[State] Census - Discussion" page until they complete work on it.

Team decision: Move state, territorial, colonial, and other censuses section between the Federal Population Schedules and the Federal Non-Population schedule sections.

Comment: After implementing the above decision I noticed it may be best to combine Federal and State population schedules as much as possible. For example, see "Alabama Census" for now Discussion page but later the regular page.

Diltsgd 15:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Where do we "discuss?"
To enable the community to participate in the U.S. Census wiki project, it'd be nice if there was one place where we direct them to discuss the development. My suggestion is to use the Discussion page on the Community Portal U.S.Census Project. (The Community Portal can be selected from the right-hand menu found on many pages. Under "Projects Seeking Contributors" select the link to "FamilySearch Wiki: Wiki Project U.S. Census." This currently links to a page that's outdated. I suggest that it be linked to Sandbox 17--or that the contents of Sandbox 17 be moved to this page.)

Because David asked, here's a list of the many places a user might choose to comment on the U.S. Census Project:


 * Sandbox (17, 18, or 19)
 * Individual user pages (such as my own, where I began my incomplete census work)
 * U.S. main page
 * U.S. census page
 * State main page
 * State census page
 * U.S. Forum
 * Community Meeting
 * Community Portal
 * "FamilySearch Wiki: Wiki Project U.S. Census"

Genguide 21:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

"Hovering" over text
The question has been asked, "Can we have expanded text pop up when we hover over a cell or text?" I'll be playing with it but it seems that the answer is "yes." On the "Help" page we see three buttons. When you hover over these buttons you see just the kind of pop-up text that has been discussed. Perhaps someone on the team that understands more about wikitext can have more (and quicker!) success than myself.

Genguide 16:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)