Talk:Norway Naming Customs

This page does not follow the references it cites (http://arvegods.blogspot.com/2012/02/norwegian-names.html)

How to enter names: "First Name" field: All given names and the patronymic "Last Name" field: Farm name at birth, or the earliest one you know - the fact that you do not know the farm name does not mean there is no farm name - search sources to find out

The wiki also makes a number of claims that are wrong .. "As such, [farm names] should be added as part of the locality information and NOT a part of the person's name. "

In 1801, 2% of the male population was named "Ole Olsen". Do you really want 9000 records for Ole Olsen in FamilySearch in 1801?

Also, this is confusing - there is no "surname" field in FamilySearch..

"Farm names indicate residence, and should be recorded as part of the event locality - not as a surname"

Response
The reference cited is not the basis for the instruction. It is a reference source for people to look at for more information. The stated claim that [farm names] should be added as part of the locality information and NOT a part of the person's name." is not wrong. It follows instruction and recommendations made by professionals in Norway. Specifically, by Yngve Nedrebø, director of the state archives in Bergen, who was selected by the Norwegian government to provide instructions to persons research their Norwegian ancestry.

While there is no Surname field in FamilySearch, there is a Last Name field, which is commonly understood to be a synonomous term. SvareJM (talk) 09:35, 2 May 2021 (MDT)

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Since you mention Yngve Nedrebø, please check his references like How to trace your ancestors in Norway. "In addition, a third name was often used. This was usually a farm name. This "surname" did not necessarily identify a family or a relationship; it signified a place of residence. If farmer Ole Olsen Li moved from Li to another farm, such as Dal, he would then be known as Ole Olsen Dal." Again, this page recommends removing farm names from ALL name fields and adding it to the location. That will cause all kinds of problems with searches, record hints and merge duplicates in Family Search (in addition, most farms are not standard locations in FamilySearch).

Also check how names are actually used in old church books too or also find those rare records for farmers traveling outside their parish. Using the given name and farm name is actually very common in my experience with Orkdal and the patronymic is rarely used (except in censuses). Cstubben (talk) 10:36, 2 May 2021 (MDT)

2nd Reply
I will point out that Yngve Nedrebø's article which you reference is quoted and cited in this article. I am quite familar with this work, and with Mr. Nedrebø. I have consulted with him personally multiple times on multiple points of research, including this topic with which you seem to take so much exception. SvareJM (talk) 11:42, 2 May 2021 (MDT)

3rd Reply
You keep making an appeal to authority, but I don't think you understand the issue. I constantly see people deleting farm names and then adding comments like farm names were not used or quoting this wiki page to say that farm names should be added to locations and not as part of the name. Or yesterday, someone posted a link to this Wiki on the Norwegian genealogy Facebook page telling everyone that FamilySearch's recommendation is to not use farm names. I will tell them that prior to the adoption of fixed surnames, most Norwegians were farmers and used a three-part name, given name, patronym and farm name and you should include all three in the name since they were all used depending on the situation (where to place these three names in FamilySearch's existing system is another issue that this page should clarify - that would require checking with Familysearch to see how they optimize search, merging and record hints). Cstubben (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2021 (MDT)