Talk:England, Kent, Workhouse Records - FamilySearch Historical Records

FamilySearch Historical Records
The collection list for the digital collections in FamilySearch.org is titled: Historical Record Collections.

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Collection Operations is the unit which creates collections. The Historical Records articles are written based on the data we receive from them.

Dorothy Horan

Collection Title
Throughout the England pages references have uniformly appeared as Poor Law records; this collection title seems incongruous.

The tab for what were previously referred to as Historical Records on the Family Search website currently appears as "Records" but wiki is using "Historical Records"

One of the sections that we hope the wiki community will help us with is to replace the generic examples of source citations with examples based on the collection. Once that is done, please remove the generic examples. We write these wiki articles prior to publication of the articles, when the collection is not available for searching.

Collection Content
This needs to specify which Poor Law Union records survive and which are not included either due to loss or within the Kent Poor Law Unions which are held in other archives.

Crescunt 15:47, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

According to Collection Operations the collection does not contain Poor Law Union Records.

The wiki articles that are linked to specific collections are labeled "Historical Records". No other wiki articles use this label.

I do not understand your response Workhouse records refer to one of two types of Poor Law records:

1)Those parish workhouses which existed prior to the formation of the Poor Law Union in parishes or groups of parishes ("Gilbert Unions"or

2) Poor Law Union records

Perhaps "Collection Operations" could identify which records and which parishes this intended collection intends to cover. How can local contributors respond to this page invitation if the content of the collection is obscure? Crescunt 20:59, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Kent Poor Law Union records are included
There are now contradictory statements about this collection.

For those of us who work regularly in the Kent Archives collections and who could contribute to the various Kent Pages including:

England, Kent, Register of Electors (FamilySearch Historical Records)

England, Kent, Wills and Probate (FamilySearch Historical Records)

England, Kent, Parish Registers and Bishop's Transcripts (FamilySearch Historical Records)

as well as this page we need to be able to identify which ecclesiastical and civil parishes in this large county FamilySearch is asking for assistance with. We imagine that any reader of these pages could realistically expect a content table for the extent of any published collection of records, gaps in records, state of preservation. There is also another local archive factor to be borne in mind and that is the location of the original records due to the establishment in future of a Family History Centre for Kent Archives and that in parts of the historic county of Kent other archives hold material (Medway, Bromley, Lewisham, Greenwich Archives as well as the Metropolitan Record Office).

Can I point out that this extant page contains illustrations of images from Poor Law Union records and the source citation suggests that certain parish workhouse records prior to formation of the Poor Law Union are included for some parishes whilst other Poor Law Union records from the 1880's are included (see image). For those of us who will continue to contribute to parish pages for the county and any Kent Parish in the Diocese of Chichester Sussex it would be helpful if FamilySearch could guide us to the parishes you are requesting contribution for. The initial anonymous response to this question from someone referring to "Collection Operations" contradicts the existing content of the page and is inadequate in response to the point raised.If the aim of this page is to engage those of us who have contributed content to hundreds of pages and include a wide variety of experienced genealogists, archivists, members of Family History Society and our new Online Parish Clerks to assist with the content from our local knowledge perhaps you could reconsider responses to contributor requests for further information about each of the intended publications within the County. I would welcome a more detailed response in order to discuss both with colleagues in various organisations I have referred to. The page would be improved by the removal of paragraphs about source citations from other countries which are irrelavent but presumably part of a template when the page is created no matter which country the collection belongs to. As the source citation hints at both a year range and location of deposited records (Centre for Kentish Studies, Maidstone) the other country examples seem wholly irrelavant. We would like to clarify this point as it affects how we choose to add Workhouse information to relevant parish pages throughout the county. Some parish workhouse information from Bromley Archives, Medway Archives and elsewhere is already included in parish pages and we have research underway to identify others. Your intended publications would therefore inform the time being spent to research in archives. In the absence of such information it is very likely that we would not attempt to contribute in future until you identify the content of your coverage. A group of 10 people are watching these collection pages for reply who have contributed extensively and who also have the potential to consult other colleagues in order to add future content and complement their work in Wikpedia over a decade to improve knowledge of the county cities, towns and churches. Ps1964 14:03, 21 January 2012 (UTC)